I have been a fan of Michael Horn since he co-authored Disrupting Class with Clayton Christensen. I have copies of several of his books and subscribe to his podcast. On July 12, 2023 he released a podcast he made with Matt Siegelman.

Matt is President of the Burning Glass Institute, a non-profit. For 20 years, he was CEO of Burning Glass, now known as Lightcast (note: when I was president of APUS, we used Burning Glass for our wage data studies and market and needs analyses).